22 comments on “Before You Politicize the Pulpit…

  1. “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.” -2 Timothy 3:16-17

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  2. Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

    From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

    But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine.
    ~ 1 TIMOTHY 1:5-10

    This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
    ~ TITUS 3:8f

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  3. Yes. Romans 13:1-6 teaches us that the governing authority is God’s ordained minister (not of word and sacrament, but of the sword). 2 Timothy 3:16-17 tells us Scripture thoroughly furnishes us for every good work. Assuming carrying out the duties of one of God’s ordained authorities is a good work, then Scripture thoroughly furnishes the governing authority with direction for it.

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  4. If the governor is a believer, yes, direction on how to comport oneself.
    But it doesn’t tell him what to legislate.
    And it furnishes the unbeliever with culpability.
    And, for the elect, conviction leading to repentance & faith.

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  5. No. Every good work means every kind or all kinds of good works, not every single cotton-pickin’ good work in the world.

    Else, we’d not have the Spirit working through messed-up pots in the NC, we’d be given an OT-type law-book with which to legislate.

    Another problem is that the Old Cov’t (Testament) era has long since passed away. The body is now universal (not local), multi (not uni-) ethnic, spiritual (not physical), etc.

    The relationship the believer enjoys with Christ (incl. his law on our hearts) cannot be legislated or mandated.

    So the laws in our society (based on the consent of the governed, a decidedly mixed multitude!) will never much mirror God’s law, nor should they.

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  6. We’d be given an OT-type law-book with which to legislate along with an infallible magisteria by which to teach & adjudicate.

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  7. I certainly don’t think the Bible provides us with details such as whether or not judges should wear robes, and what color those robes should be. But it does tell us whether or not a proposed law is good or evil. It tells us that not all sins should be crimes. It tells us some crimes are worthy of worse punishments than others.

    I’m not advocating that the OT law be copied and pasted over the United States’ lawbook, or that nations today can covenant with God the way He covenanted with OT Israel. I’m also not advocating salvation through lawkeeping.

    What concerns me is that you somehow think it is a good (morally? practically?) thing that today’s laws look nothing like the direction given to us in Scripture, which defines morality.

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  8. The laws in our society (based on the consent of the governed, a decidedly mixed multitude!) will never much mirror God’s law, nor should they, given that God has not ordained such to be the case.

    I do not claim that it is a good (morally? practically?) thing that today’s laws look nothing like the direction given to us in Scripture. Such would be to go beyond what I’ve said. Neither should they, nor can they.

    I’m curious: Which sins do you think should be crimes, which not, and why?

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  9. It would be a fine thing, if that is what God wanted/ decreed. But he hasn’t given neither a law-book nor promises attached thereto.*

    I am simply saying they “should not” b/c they never much will – not that it’s a good thing in and of itself, but it is what God has decreed.

    How can they “mirror” God’s law w/o “the OT law be[ing] copied”?

    * Paul (& 1st Peter 2) probably would have had more to say than simply, “submit to the authorities,” if Gad wanted a culture to mirror his law any more than any does.

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  10. GAD! Egads!

    If God wanted a culture to mirror his word, he’d have provided prophecies of such, a mandate for it, and/ or some constitution or bill of rights/ duties, etc.

    He didn’t. He hasn’t. He won’t.

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  11. I like what the WCF, Savoy Declaration, and LBCF 1689 have to say in chapter 19 of each. The general equity of the civil laws given to Israel is still morally binding upon all, justified or not. They no longer function as a covenant of works with the promise of blessing/cursing, but they still expose sin, restrain corruption, etc.

    Do you agree with these confessions, or do you think they have pulpitized politics too much? I just want to make sure our disagreement is substantive and not semantic.

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