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  1. I think we’re far enough along in the neo-Reformation, that this stuff is elementary to 99% of the readers of this blog and the RBF one. When the White Horse Inn began, there was little help. But today, we’ve heard all this and in this manner for decades!

    Jones’ first sentence is platitudinous and vapid. And he never delivers on his assertion that Reformed theology be “fleshed out in new perceptions of the dynamics of the corporate life of the local church.” Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

    The first paragraph is the usual cant against “those guys who don’t do church right.” For the umpteenth time: We know that Rick Warren & Frank Viola are B.A.D. and to be avoided like the plague. OK.

    The 2nd paragaph is also platitudinous. All it tells us is that the RBs do creeds. (A slight against those dumb Fundy Baptists who think such recitation merely smacks of popery?) OK. Yawn.

    Last (thankfully!) paragraph, more vapidity and vague bluster. This is the crux of my complaint: the most “reformed” of Reformed churches is always still being reformed by the Word of God

    Until Jones & the RBs (& the MacArthurites & the T4G-ers & the TGC-ers, et. al.) turn their verbal pyrotechniques a little more at their own houses and their (our!) own, specific flaws, these sorts of posts are useless. They say little more than nothing, and don’t address real problems in our churches. Maybe Jones or others do elsewhere, and so we await that powerful MacWilliams web search engine to seek, secure, and share such neo-Reformational gems with his loyal & avid fan base here @ TSL!


  2. Not your most helpful comment, brother Hugh. You sound angry.

    My reader base is wider than those who comment regularly. Lately especially, it has included more readers who are not Reformed, as well as those who are working to spread the basics of Reformed theology in their churches, along with those who have no church and are looking to plant one.

    A short post like this can serve several purposes:
    1. Exhortation to conform ecclesiological practice to doctrinal truth. Practice what we preach about the church.
    2. Encouragement to those (often isolated) Reformers in their respective congregations, for whom change only happens after months and years of prayer, hard work, and waiting on the Lord.
    3. Non-threatening, non-self-righteous affirmation of Reformed theology & practice aimed at readers who may be new to Reformed theology, resistant to change, or both.

    Not everyone knows Rick Warren is a bad model of theology and practice. I have many friends who believe he is a godly church leader who preaches the truth and whose ministry is strongly approved of God.

    This is only a section taken from a larger article taken from a magazine aimed at a wide audience, so I’m not surprised he doesn’t delve into a lot of detail. I try to provide material that does get into more specifics when I can, such as this post about Bible study: https://sovereignlogos.wordpress.com/2012/05/10/roy-blackwood-on-reforming-your-bible-study/

    I have plenty of acquaintances who either reject creeds and confession outright, or else find them of little use. Some of them are regular readers of this blog.

    The last name is McWilliams, just like McCann. I do not have as much time to spend on original blogging as I used to (not that I ever had a lot), so I try to pass along things that I believe will be helpful to my readers. Not every post will apply to every reader. As a matter of fact, most of the content you see on this blog is stuff that is recommended to me by friends, not things I go looking for. If you find something you believe would be of benefit, please email me.


  3. Patrick,

    Forgive me, please for my inexcusable misspelling of your name! Mea WAY culpa!

    You rightly detect some frustration on my part, yes.

    The repetition of our side’s cant is tiresome, esp. when it’s this insubstantial and when we aren’t auto-ajudicating, imho. “Reformation” has for too long been simply bashing the bad guys – sort of a fundamentalist hangover in many of our guys. RBs can sometimes occasionally once in a while tend toward this.

    There is always need for warnings and exposure of false teachers and dissection of their lies, but we need to be reforming ourselves, too, until glory.

    Jones’ message was too vague & insubstantial (imho) to effectively serve as much of an exhortation, an encouragement or an affirmation.

    Just one man’s opinion. Thanks for letting this one here opine!


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